Karika 22-24: (Followers of Shankar sect): Just as worldly people form their
bodies from the previous body and the previous body is formed from earlier body
endlessly, in the same way it could be accepted for Ishwara also. This would
not lead to Anavastha flaw.
(Jains): By accepting this,
Ishwara also would becomes like common folks inflicted with karmas
transmigrating from one body to another. Thus Ishwara too would be proved to
have karmas.
Karika 25-26: (Jains): Hence it is proved that Ishwara does not have body nor
does he have any specific dharmas because those exist only in the presence of
body. It is also not right to say that he functions like Jineshwara without
having desire.
In this manner the beliefs of Naiyayiks etc. who accept Ishwara as doer of body etc. form
worldly activities, are refuted. Now Vaisheshiks say that leave aside the
desire, body etc. of Ishwara, we accept the knowledge alone of Ishwara as cause
for the worldly activities. What is the flaw there?
(Jains): Tell us whether
knowledge of Ishwara is permanent or transitory? Is it all pervasive or
non-pervasive? Is it different or indifferent? Whatever you answer, there shall
be flaws in the same as follows:
Karika 27 : If the knowledge of
body-less Ishwara is permanent then there should not be a chronological
sequence in the events of the world. All the events should have happened in the
same instant. It a rule of Nyaya (logic) that in the presence of sufficient
reasons the deed always
materializes. If the cause does not have sequence then how
can the effect have a sequence? (the knowledge is always present without
sequence so events should happen at the same instant.)
Further there is another flaw that the permanent Gyan
cannot be said to be either Praman (cause form) or its result (deed form). Since-
Karika 28-29 : Just as Jains believe the impermanent Samyak Gyan as Praman (
cause) and the subsequent eradication of Agyan is the result (fruition) of the
Praman, in the same way if the knowledge of Ishwara is believed to be
permanently of the Praman form then it
does not lead to any result (fruition) since no work is done. If the same
knowledge is cause as well as its effect then it becomes impermanent which goes
against Vaisheshik’s belief. Similarly if the knowledge of Ishwara is said to
be only fruition then again it cannot be permanent since it can be accepted as
fruition only if it is the result of Praman (cause). And if it is accepted to
be result of Praman then it cannot remain permanent. Further if the knowledge
is accepted to be fruition without its generation then how can it be called as
result? In this manner the permanent knowledge of Ishwara cannot be proved to
be either Praman or its fruition. To avoid this flaw if Vaisheshiks accept the
knowledge to be impermanent then also it cannot be satisfactory as follows-
Karika 30-31: If the knowledge of Ishwara is believed to be impermanent
without a cause ( of the form of Ishwara)
and generated on its own then what is the necessity of accepting Ishwara
as cause for generation of other acts also? (If knowledge is generated without
Ishwara then other things can also be done.) Or, if that knowledge is said to
be generated from another knowledge and that another knowledge from a third
knowledge, it leads to flaw of endless connotation without any knowledge being
the cause. If to avoid this endless connotation if you accept knowledge to be
of eternal form like tree and seed, then Vaisheshiks would also have to accept
the presence of eternal karmas, since without accepting a sequence in the cause
there cannot be a sequence in the result. With the Ishwara form reason being
permanent, there cannot be a sequence. Without the progeny of karmas, there
cannot be a cause for the knowledge to be sequential. The progeny of karmas
cannot be established without accepting Ishwara with a body. Accepting Ishwara
to have a body form makes him non liberated while Ishwara has been accepted to
be liberated by Vaisheshiks. In this way there are several flaws in accepting
the knowledge of Ishwara as impermanent.
Karika 32-35 : If the knowledge of Ishwara is believed to be non-pervasive and
at the same time accepted to be cause for all the events of the universe, then
with that knowledge all the events in all the places cannot be accepted, since
knowledge within a limited area can be a cause for events in a limited area
only, not in all the areas. If you say that knowledge residing in limited area
can be cause for all the events of all the areas, then we can say that just as
knowledge residing in limited area can be cause for all the events of all the
areas, in the same way the knowledge within a limited period can be a cause for
all the events of all the times ( which otherwise occur sequentially in time).
In other words, if limited area knowledge can be expanded to cover all the acts
of the universe, then same logic can be extended to time and limited period
knowledge should suffice for all events of all times to be culminated
simultaneously.
If to counter the above described flaw, it is said that
due to absence of other reasons, all the events do not occur together, then the
question arises that in spite of knowledge being there, and due to absence of other reasons the events do not occur and
with the presence of those reasons definitely those events occur, then those
reasons only should be accepted to be the reasons for the producing the
activities of the universe. Since with the presence of those reasons the events
take place and with the absence of those reasons the events do not take place.
The knowledge of Ishwara was always present and was never absent. Hence
knowledge of Ishwara is inconsequential since even in its presence sometimes
the events occur and sometimes it does not occur. On the other hand in the
presence of other reasons the events occur and in their absence the events do
not occur. Therefore the knowledge of Ishwara residing in limited area cannot
be a cause for the worldly events.
Karika 36 : If the knowledge of Ishwara is believed to be
all pervasive and permanent, then also the same logic as described above can be extended. Such knowledge, like the
Ishwara cannot be a reason for the events of the Universe to occur
sequentially. In other words all the events of universe of all times should
transpire within one moment itself.
Now it is asked that whether the Ishwara knows himself or
does not know himself?
Flaw if he does not know himself :
Karika 37- 39: The Naiyayiks and Vaisheshiks believe that knowledge of Ishwara
knows all the substances of the universe but does not know himself. Then the
doubt arises that if he does not know himself then how can he be called
omniscient? One is omniscient only if he knows all the knowables. Therefore it
does not establish his omniscient nature.
If you say that Ishwara knows himself by means of another
knowledge, therefore he becomes omniscient, then the question arises that if
second knowledge enabled him to know self, then how did he know the second
knowledge? If you say a third knowledge enabled to know second then again how
did he know the third knowledge? In this way it would continue ad infinitum and finally a knowledge would exist which
would not be known to anybody. So it would hinder the establishment of Ishwara
as omniscient. Or other wise you have to accept that Ishwara also knows himself.
Vaisheshiks say that there is no harm in accepting that
the knowledge is different from Ishwara either.
Flaw if Ishwara knows himself:
Karika 40-42 : (Jains): If the knowledge of Maheshwara is entirely different
from Maheshwara then how does one say that the knowledge belongs to Maheshwara
or the sky?
(Vaisheshiks): The
knowledge of Maheshawara belongs to Maheshwara by means of ‘Samavaya’
relationship. Sky does not have ‘Samavaya’ relationship with knowledge.
(Jains); As per your
philosophy the ‘Samavaya’ also is totally different from Maheshwara and the
knowledge. Therefore the question arises that why ‘Samavaya’ relationship is
between Maheshwara and knowledge? Why not between sky and knowledge?
(Vaisheshiks):
Between Maheshwara and knowledge only there is hindrance free relationship and
not between sky and knowledge.
(Jains) : If you say that
hindrance free relationship is the cause for ‘Samavaya’ relationship then there
would be no difference between conjunction and ‘samavaya’ just as it is said
that ‘curd is there in the pot’.
(Vaisheshiks): Our
objective was to establish that ‘knowledge is there in Maheshwara’. This
establishes their relationship.
(Jains): Just relationship is
alright but the purpose of ‘Samavaya’ could not be established. In this way the
belief of Maheshwara knowing himself with the knowledge being different from
him is also not established.
Karika 43-44 : (Visheshiks): Although ‘Samavaya’ is not established from
relationship, even then the substances which are ‘AyutSiddha’, they can have
‘Samavaya’ relation. In this manner Maheshwara and knowledge can have
relationship.
(Jains): You are accepting
‘AyutSiddha’ objects as the criterion for ‘Samavaya’ relationship, this is
refuted by your own philosophy. ‘AyutSiddha’ are those substances which do not
have different support i.e. they are inseparable like milk and water, which is
accepted as the worldly definition of ‘AyutSiddha’. But you do not yourself
accept milk and water to have ‘Samavaya’ relationship. In your philosophy the
threads and the cloth have ‘Samavaya’ relationship and you yourself accept the
support for cloth to be its threads and the support for threads to be its
constituents. Hence from your own philosophy the ‘Samavaya’ relationship is
established between substances having different supports. Therefore they cannot
have ‘AyutSiddha’ relationship. If ‘AyutSiddha’ relationship is not there, they cannot have ‘Samavaya’ relationship. In
this way Maheshwara and knowledge are not established to be ‘Ayutsiddha’, hence
they cannot have ‘Samavaya’ relationship.
Karika 45-48 : (Vaisheshiks): The characteristics of ‘YutSiddha’ is defined as
substances having different support. The Maheshwara is all pervasive hence he
does not have any support. The knowledge cannot have any different support.
Therefore Maheshwara and knowledge cannot have ‘YutSiddha’ relationship as they
do not have different support. Hence they can be accepted to have ‘AyutSiddha’
relationship.
(jains): If you accept
Maheshwara and his knowledge to have AyutSiddha relationship since different
supports for them cannot be established, then we ask that the sky and
soul also are all pervasive hence they do not have different supports, then
they should also be treated as ‘AyutSiddha’ and hence should have ‘Samavaya’ ? Now
the qualities of dravya etc. also do not have separate support, therefore they
cannot be said to be ‘YutSiddha’. Hence being ‘AyutSiddha’ they too should have ‘Samavaya’ with sky, soul. If
they are not treated as ‘AyutSiddha’ then due to absence of ‘Yutsiddha’ and
‘Ayutsiddha’ both, there would be great contradiction.
Karika 49: (Vaisheshiks): In the all pervasive substances
like sky, soul etc. the togetherness is experienced hence they can be said to be
‘YutSiddha’.
(Jains): Such togetherness is
also experienced even where you accept ‘Ayutsiddha’ such as substance and its
qualities, doer-deed, substance and its constituents etc. There too you should
accept ‘Yutsiddha’ and hence they cannot have ‘Samavaya’ and instead they would
have togetherness.
Karika 50-51 (Jains): In this way since ‘Ayutsiddha’ is not established which
was described as cause for ‘Samavaya’
hence that too cannot be established. Hence that cause cannot be used to
differentiate between substances.
Another point which we would like to know is that just as
knowledge of Maheshwara has Samavaya relationship with Maheshwara, how does
the samavaya itself attaches to
Maheshwara? Is it by means of another ‘Samavaya’? But you have not accepted
this and described it as the relationship between substance and its quality.
Therefore the cause for establishment of ‘Samavaya’ has been corrupted and due
to corrupt logic the ‘Samavaya’ can not be established.
Karika 52-55 (Vaisheshiks): If the substances entering into samavaya are
believed to be carried out by another samavaya then that samavaya would need a
third samavaya to attach it. In this manner infinite samavayas shall be
required resulting in the flaw of infinite connotation. Therefore we accept
samavaya to have relationship with substance like that of quality and
qualified. In such a case the flaw does not arise.
(Jains): If you accept that
in Maheshwara and knowledge, the Samavaya resides with quality and qualified
relationship, then we ask that how the quality-qualified relation is retained
between its relatives? As per your own logic, the quality-qualified would need
another quality-qualified relationship to retain it between the relatives,
which would need a third quality-qualified relationship. In this manner the
same flaw of infinite connotation is encountered.
Karika 56: (Vaisheshiks): The anomaly is eliminated by
knowing the relationship of quality-qualified by means of quality-qualified
knowledge.
(Jains) : Just as ‘Knowledge in Maheshwara’ has anomaly of
support-supported, in the same way the anomaly of support-supported appears
here.
Karika 57-59: (Vaisheshiks): The anomaly of infinite connotation can come only
when we believe the quality-qualified relationship to be single only and to
avoid anomaly we have to imagine several quality-qualified relationships. In
reality itself we accept infinite quality-qualified relationships, then how can
the anomaly exist? So long as the people desirous of knowing wish, they can
imagine the relationship of quality-qualified, and when the desire is satiated
then the imagination of quality-qualified also gets quenched. In this manner
the anomaly of infinite connotation is not encountered.
(Jains): If you accept
infinite relationships of quality-qualified then why do you need ‘samavaya’ and
‘togetherness’ relationships ? Why do you not accept quality-qualified
relationships everywhere and believe ‘samavaya’ and ‘togetherness’ as one of
their divisions ?
(Vaisheshiks): The
‘Samavaya’ relation is an independent different entity. How can it be a
division of quality-qualified relationship ?
(Jains): By believing
‘Samavaya’ as and independent entity, the following flaws are experienced-
Karika 60-62: (Jains): You believe ‘Samavaya’ to be an independent substance,
then why do you call it dependent upon its relatives and if you accept it dependent
then why do you call it independent? If in spite of ‘Samavaya’ being dependent
upon others, you call it independent then nothing shall be dependent.
(Vaisheshiks): In
reality the ‘Samavaya’ is an independent substances but the Vyavahara of
‘Samavaya’ is carried out in the presence of relatives hence formally it is
accepted as dependent. There is no harm in accepting so.
(Jains): If we accept that in
the presence of relatives the ‘Samavaya’ is considered to be dependent in
Vyavahara sense then in the same way the Vyavahara of direction etc. pervasive
substances is carried out in the presence of corporeal substances, then
direction etc. pervasive substances should be treated as dependent. If they are
treated as dependent then it contradicts your own philosophy.
If you accept ‘Samavaya’ as absolutely independent then
then you cannot make a rule of ‘Samavaya’ with respect to its relatives that
this ‘Samavaya’ belongs to these relatives only and not others. To establish
relationship of ‘Samavaya’ it should be treated as dependent upon the relatives
only.
Karika 63 : (Jains): Further by
accepting ‘Samavaya’ as a single substance, the question arises that when
‘Samavaya’ is absolutely single
substance, then why does knowledge remain with Maheshwara only with ‘Samavaya;
relationship, and not with sky etc. insentient substances?
Continued…..
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