Sunday, February 18, 2024

Seventeen question…..17

 

7.0 Question - The Omniscience of Kevali Bhagwan is from aspect of Nishchaya or Vyavahara? If it is from aspect of Vyavahara then whether it is Real or Unreal?

7.1 Answer- Niyamsar 159 – From aspect of Vyavahara naya, Kevali Bhagwan knows and sees all. From aspect of Nishchaya naya, Keval Gyani knows and sees the soul.

In such a situation the omniscience of Kevali Jina appears to be Asadbhoot. The question is whether the Omniscience of Kevali Jina is self dependent or dependent upon others ?

The rule is that the dharma which is found in the Lok, that only can be attributed upon one dravya with support of another  dravya. The dharma which is absent, that cannot be even attributed upon anyone. Therefore the dharma named omniscience should exist and then only it is valid to attribute it upon someone. Now when we consider the subject of existence of this dharma then it appears that in Niyamsar what has been described as Atmagyata (immersion within the soul), in that only the dharma named omniscience is immersed.

Kevali Jina is omniscient by nature, there is no doubt about it. Even then when statement is made from aspect of all subjects of knowledge then it gets applied from aspect of Vyavahara – this is the implication of the gatha of Niyamsar.

Acharya Amritchandra has described the 47 shaktis in which Omniscience is also one of them. This is defined as capability manifested in the form of knowing all the specific bhavas of the entire world-  knowledge of soul form Omniscience.

From the above it is clear that just as omniscience is accepted with respect to others, it is also applicable with respect to self since it is capability of soul.

Paramatma Prakash- The way Kevali jina knows his own soul being engrossed within  it, in the same way he does not know other dravya being engrossed within the same. Therefore it is called Vyavahara, but it is not called Vyavahara because of the lack of complete knowledge.

If he knows other substance by being immersed in them then he would experience their pains, ragas etc. also which is a great flaw. From that sense it is Vyavahara only. From aspect of capability it is Nishchaya only.

Counter Question 2: You believe the omniscience of Kevali Bhagawan from aspect of Atmagyata to be real and attributed the same omniscience with respect to subjects of knowledge also. Two questions arise-

(i) What is the form of omniscience from aspect of atmagyata?

(ii) How does the omniscience get attributed  to kevali Bhagwan from aspect of all the subjects of knowledge ?

7.2 Answer : The answer to these two questions is as follows-

(i) Substances have three forms- word form, Artha (meaning) form, knowledge form.

For example, the word ‘pot’ is ‘pot’ word form substance. ‘pot’ Artha form substance is the one which is capable to store water. Knowledge manifested in ‘the shape of the pot’ is the knowledge form pot substance.

From aspect of Nishchaya naya when kevali knows his own soul as subject of knowledge, then equipped with the nature of manifesting in the shape of subject of knowledge like that of mirror and thus manifested, he also knows  own gyan paryaya indistinct from own self. For this reason that Kevali jina along with being atmagya, he is also sarvagya (omniscient) by nature. This is the self dependent omniscience. From this it is clear that what is Atmagyata is same as Sarvagyata (omniscience). From aspect of Nishcya naya both mean the same.

You have derived meaning of Asadbhoot as attributed. We have ourselves written that if it is merely dependent upon others then it would need to be called Asadbhoot. When we have established the omniscience to be self dependent then in such a case omniscience is Sadbhoot only.

(ii) When he is called as Omniscient from aspect of all the subjects of knowledge pertaining to all the three loks and all the three periods of time , then that omniscience is attributed from aspect of others hence it is called omniscience from aspect of Upacharita Sadbhoot Vyavahara. Just as lamp is by nature illuminator having the dharma of illumination and not because of illuminating pots etc. substances, in the same way the Kevali Jina is by nature omniscient and not due to knowing other substances, this is the implication of the above.

We were surprised to see the reference to two different beliefs in Agam pertaining to Niyamsar and Acharya Amritchandra which is incorrect. Actually in agam the example of mirror is quoted everywhere by which it is told that just as mirror has natural capability of reflection, in the same way gyan has capability of manifesting in shape of subject of knowledge. However when it is said that image in mirror is due to others then it is called Vyavahara. In the same way when it is said that the manifestation in gyan is due to subjects of knowledge then it is called Vyavahara. It is  not right  to present the Praman form Agam in the guise of belief.

Counter Question 3: Why are you trying to declare omniscience from aspect of Nishchaya? Why is it not desirable for you to accept it as true from aspect of Vyavahara naya? Even that (Vyavahara) has been accepted by Shri Amrit Chandra suri as real  in his commentary.

In Paramatma Prakash also the omniscience has not been treated as subject of Nishchaya naya. With other substances, gyan does not have pervasive relationship but gyeya-gyayak (subject-knower) relationship which is subject of Vyavahara naya being relation between two dravyas. In this way the omniscience does not get proven to be subject of Nishchaya naya but it is that of Vyavahara naya only.

You say that like mirror, the gyan also manifests in the shape of gyeya which is incorrect since mirror is corporeal while soul is non corporeal. How can soul manifest in the shape of corporeal substances? Gyan does not manifest in the shape of gyeya. Just as no substance gets reflected in the Akash since it is non-corporeal by nature , in the same way the soul is also non-corporeal hence it does not manifest into the form of images of the other substances - Prameya Kamal Martanda.  

Although  Gyan is declared as having shape but there (Prameya Kamal Martand) the meaning of shape is not image but ArthaVikalpa.

If it is accepted that only by means of manifestation of images of the gyeya in the gyan, the gyan knows the gyeyas, then gyan would not know the taste, smell, touch etc. and non corporeal substances since they do not get imaged, nor can gyan manifest in taste etc. form. Image is paryaya of pudgala dravya  and not that of gyan. Hence it does not establish that Kevali jina is omniscient from aspect of Nishchaya naya.

You have talked about three types of substances- Shabda (word), Artha and gyan form. Of these the Shabda form substance ‘pot’ word and gyan form substance like knowing the pot i.e. knowledge of pot, both of these are dependent upon others hence are subjects of Vyavahara. Just as pot can hold water, in the same way the pot word or pot gyan cannot hold water. Hence pot Shabda and gyan are described from aspect of Vyavahara.

Alap Paddhati- Attribution  of swabhava elsewhere is Upacharita Swabhava. This Upacharita swabhava has two divisions namely karma generated and natural. Just as jiva has corporeal and insentient natures which are karma generated hence Upacharita, while knowing others (omniscience) by the Siddhas and observing others (sarva Darshita) are natural Upacharita.

In this way the omniscience has been described from aspect of Upachrita naya only.

Pravachansar 32- From aspect of Vyavahara naya Bhagwan knows and sees all by their dravya, kshetra, kaal and bhavas.

Naya Chakra Sangrah – Gyayak bhava by means of Mati-shruta-avadhi-manah paryaya-keval gyan, from aspect of nishchaya naya knows the soul and knows other dravyas by means of Vyavahara naya.

From these it establishes that in Kevali Jina the omniscience is from aspect of Vyavahara and not Nishchaya naya. From aspect of Nishchaya naya he knows the self where the other is completely absent. The self does not manifest in the form of others.

Gyan does not manifest in the shape of gyeya. Knowing of gyeyas only has been called as gyeyakar manifestation of gyan. The Pradesh of soul or the Avibhag Praticcheda of Gyan do not manifest in the shape of gyeyas.

In this way the Vyavahara naya is real since every naya is true in generating knowledge of its subject. All nayas are good in describing their own  subjects. It is not right to say that Naya Ekant is Mithya Drishti . When the nayas start refuting their opponent naya then they become Mithya. Anekantagya person does not divide that one naya is true and other naya is untrue. But the subject   of one naya along with the subject of its opponent naya only is true- he decides thus.

7.3  Answer -     The rival group wishes to describe Nishchaya naya and Vyavahara naya mutually dependent upon each other hence they have modified the form of our statement.    

Since the Keval Gyani knows and sees own form  directly hence he himself knows and sees the self-other form all the Prameya ( subjects of knowledge). This is the implication of the statement of Nishchaya naya. All the Prameya of all the three Loks and all the three periods of time, for  knowing and seeing them, the Keval Gyan and Keval darshan manifest themselves. This implication is the substance of Nishchaya naya.

Now we consider the statement of Vyavahara naya. The form of every substance is self established. If the form of every substance is also believed to be existent relative to others then both would not exist hence both would be eliminated. In this way with the forms of Praman and Prameya being self established only their Vyavahara is mutually relative. Since with Nishchaya of Praman the Prameya gets defined  and with the Nishchaya of Prameya the Praman gets confirmed. Therefore  keeping in mind the Vyavahara relative to others when statement is made then it is said that from aspect of Vyavahara Kevali Jina knows and sees all.

The objective of both nayas is the same . The difference is that the subject which is stated by Nishchaya naya from aspect of its own nature , Vyavahara naya tells the same thing from aspect of others. Hence the statement of Nishchaya naya is real while that of Vyavahara naya is Upacharita since the nature of substance is not dependent upon others. But from aspect of others only it has been established.

Hence the assertion of rival group  is not in accordance with the  Agam that ‘ from aspect of own illuminator it is Atmagya (self immersed) and from aspect of other’s illuminator it is omniscient.’ Telling that ‘ the omniscient word represents dependence upon others and it does not denote independence  with respect to others’ is also not in accordance with the Agam

The rival group says that “In kshayik gyan from aspect of Nishchaya naya, there is dharma named Atma and from aspect of Vyavahara naya there is dharma named Sarvagya. The sarvagya named dharma is from aspect of others just as knowledge of pots and pans.”

Before examining the above, it is better to understand the two divisions of Vyavahara naya- one is Asadbhoot Vyavahara naya and other is Sadbhoot Vyavahara naya. Imposition of elsewhere famous dharma upon something else is Asadbhoot Vyavahara naya and differentiating the guna-guni, paryaya-paryayi etc. is Sadbhoot Vyavahara.

Knowing self and others is the nature of gyan. Here elsewhere famous dharma is not being imposed on someone else hence it is not subject of Asadbhoot Vyavahara naya. Here the nature is being described and even the differentiation of guna-guni is not being discussed. Hence it is not even subject of Sadbhoot Vyavahara naya. In such condition which is this third Vyavahara naya from whose aspect the rival group accepts dharma named sarvagya in Kshayik gyan? Further in spite of existence of this dharma in Sarvagya he calls it dependent upon others? It is strange imagination to call the nature of dharma of a substance to be dependent upon others.

The rival group gives example of knowledge of pots and pans. However at the time of  knowledge of the pot, the manifestation of the form of knowing self and others is nature of gyan only and it is self established. It happens in absence or presence of the pot also, otherwise the arrangement of keval gyan and memory etc. gyans would not exist.

Only this is for sure that in pots and pans and their knowledge, the Vyavahara of subject of knowledge and knower is established only with respect to each other. This is the reason what we have called soul as Gyayak (knower) from aspect of differentiation, therefore subject of Sadbhoot Vyavahara naya. Calling it Gyayak from aspect of gyeya is Upacharita.

The rival group writes that “ Sarvagyatva dharma in soul, in spite of being from aspect of Vyavahara naya, it is true and not false imagination or imposed attribute”. We would like to state that sarvagyata is nature of keval gyan. The rival group calls it dharma of keval gyan from aspect of Vyavahara naya which is their own imagination only. They believe omniscience to be true in imagination and not in reality. Therefore they should not write that the sarvagyatva dharma is there in soul in reality.

They have written that ‘the nature of Sarvagyata shakti itself is to know others hence it would necessarily be relative to others. Knowing others only is Pargyata.’

The answer is that the Sarvagyatva shakti belongs to soul and is not attributed. The capability of that shakti is not just knowing others but that of knowing all. If JinaDeva knows only others then that shakti may be called as Paragyata. But he knows all hence it is established to be of the form of Sarvagyata only.

They say that our question is regarding sarvagyata form manifestation which can exist only in context of other substances only. Hence it becomes subject of Vyavahara naya being dependent upon others (subjects of knowledge).

The answer is that the manifestation of Sarvagyatva shakti prevalent in Nigod etc. all jivas only is known as sarvagyata. This manifestation is not swa-para pratyaya form but is swa-pratyaya form. It is capable of knowing all the substances of all the three periods of time belonging to all the three loks simultaneously within one samaya on account of its manifestation nature. Therefore accepting it to be dependent upon other substances is against the Agam only. Believing any manifestation of knowledge being dependent upon gyeya is against the Agam only.

Pariksha Mukh – ‘ substance and illumination are not cause for generation of knowledge since they are subjects of knowledge only like darkness.’ Hence the real expression would be ‘ By calling soul as Gyayak it indicates the presence of gyeya hence it appears to be from aspect of gyeya. This only is Upachar’ which is true.

Further it should be understood that the subject of Sarvagyata is not just other substance but self-others gyeya form entire dravya family. This is described as Atmagya from aspect of Nishchaya ( being immersed in own self)  and the same is called sarvagya in context of others; thus the meaning of Niyamsar gatha would be clearly understood.

In Samaysar the subject of Paryayarthika naya has been trivialized  since there the main objective is to realise the soul different from the ragas etc. form bhavas. Hence in gatha 56 the ragas etc. Bhavas are called as belonging to jiva from aspect of vyavahara naya only. However manifesting in ragas etc. form is fault of jiva only and not that of karma. For imparting this knowledge, in karta-karma adhikar, the jiva has been called as their karta from aspect of Nishchaya (Gatha 102). Hence everywhere the perspective should be considered.

The rival group believes two dharmas namely Atmagyata and Sarvagyata. But between then it is difference of perspective only. Both mean the same.

In any substance, no dharma is dependent upon others. Yes, the vyavahara of dharma-dharmi etc. is surely with respect to each other.

The rival group has told ‘Akaryakaranatva and Akartatva shakti’ to be dependent upon others and in the same way they have told ‘Sarvagyatva and Sarvadarshitva shakti’ also to be other’s dependent. But it is not so. The way a shakti manifests , it has been informed accordingly. For establishing something the imposition of dependence is different thing but nothing has nature of being dependent upon others.

Soul from aspect of Nishchaya is Gyayak (knower). It manifests in the form of knowing Lok-Alok which is by nature and not due to dependence upon others. At every samaya the soul manifests in the form of knowing and seeing all the gyeyas without dependence upon all the gyeyas by nature only. This is statement of Nishchaya naya. Even then keeping in mind the information-informant vyavahara, the statement is made with respect to others. Hence from aspect of Vyavahara naya, sarvagyata exists – instead of applying such Ekant; Atmagyata and Sarvagyata , these are two sides to the same statement.

In order to establish the subject of Vyavahara naya as reality, the rival group wishes to make sarvagyata itself as subject of Vyavahara naya in Ekant form. However any dharma of any substance is never dependent upon others.

We do not accept that gyan manifests in gyeyakar - pot shaped  forms. Even then for explaining the manifestation of gyan, the gyan is described as having shape. No wise person believes that while knowing the pot the knowledge becomes pot shaped. They wish to establish the generation of knowledge from gyeya only.

The rival group has believed ‘pot’ word and ‘pot knowledge’ as dependent upon others which is incorrect. The pot word is Shabda varganas manifested in pot form and not due to pot substance. Similarly pot gyan form manifestation is self established, not due to pot substance. They say that water cannot be stored in pot word or pot knowledge hence the word and knowledge are called substances from aspect of vyavahara. The answer is whether the pot word and pot knowledge have independent existence or not? If it is not there then they would have to be accepted as non existent like flower in the sky. Therefore there should be no objection to accepting them as real thing like pot substance. They may not function like pot substance but they do have their own task. Hence what all substances are present in the Lok, each of them is real thing.

When omniscience is described from aspect of gyeyas then that statement becomes Vyavahara. Omniscience itself is not Vyavahara. Gyeya-Gyayak relationship is described as Vyavahara. In reality there is no relationship. The rival group wishes to describe omniscience itself from aspect of Vyavahara naya, whereas the omniscience is the real form of Kevali Jina.

Atmagyata and Paragyata are not two dharmas, these are two statements from two aspects. From aspect of self it is called Atmagyata and the same is called as Paragyata from aspect of others. If the rival group accepts it then it establishes the right relationship between Nishaya Vyavahara naya and with refutation of Ekant the omniscience of Kevali Jina gets established to be real.

The quotes provided by rival group are all establishing the statements made from certain aspect to be subjects of Vyavahara naya and not that the omniscience is from aspect of Vyavahara naya.

The rival group wishes to prove Vyavahara naya as the real thing. That’s why they have accepted Atmagya and Sarvagya named two dharmas of Kshayik Gyan and calling the sarvagya dharma to be  other’s dependent, they have called sarvagyata as subject of vyavahara naya. For this they have not provided with Praman of agams also .

We have not said that the Vyavahara naya is pure imagination without any subject.

Finally it should be understood that each soul has sarvagyatva named shakti and from that aspect kevali has sarvagyata which is self dependent and same is called Atmagyata. In this way Kevali Jina is Atmagya from aspect of Nishchaya naya. When the same is described from aspect of others then it is said that ‘Kevali Jina knows and sees  all from aspect of vyavahara naya.’

Continued……

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